Hoshino Yukinobu

This time, we go behind the scenes of manga creation with sci-fi master Hoshino Yukinobu. Marvel at the power of the pen as Hoshino works on incredible ocean scenery for his epic, Kaitei.

Transcript

00:06

Like I've always said,

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the nib of a pen
is packed with magic.

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I've been fascinated with that magic
for over 50 years now.

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And I'm still figuring out
how to use it.

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Creating mood with pencils is easy
because you can shade as needed.

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That's hard to do with pens.

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If possible, I would love to use
a brush pen for everything.

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Manga - where drama is created with just the tip of a pen.

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In this program, we take you behind the scenes of where manga is made and explore the craft.

01:33

The idea came from Urasawa Naoki.

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The famous manga artist has released hits in a variety of genres.

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Urasawa spent years studying works by numerous manga artists

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and went through a lot of trial and error to solidify his artistic style.

01:51

Certain lines can only be made
by mastering classic techniques.

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This type of craftsmanship formed
throughout Japanese manga history.

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Seeing impressive line work
makes you want to imitate the style.

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This time, our guest is an incredibly talented artist Urasawa has long admired.

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Hoshino Yukinobu, a master of sci-fi manga, made his debut eight years before Urasawa Naoki.

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One of Hoshino's definitive works is "Blue Hole."

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In the manga, a mysterious blue hole discovered at the bottom of the ocean near Madagascar

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leads to 65 million years in the past when dinosaurs ruled the Earth.

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The thrilling sci-fi came out before "Jurassic Park" released in Japan.

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The "Professor Munakata" series shows Hoshino's skill in mystery, as well.

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The story follows a folklorist as he unravels secrets behind strange legends across Japan.

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The British Museum held an exhibition of Hoshino's art,

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a first for any Japanese manga artist, proof of his critical acclaim.

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What drives Hoshino to create manga?

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I feel there was a time when most manga
were science fiction.

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Tezuka Osamu put out a lot of sci-fi.

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But he also worked in other genres
like historical fiction and adventure.

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Still, sci-fi was always at his core.

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Our cameras captured Hoshino as he worked over four days.

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Hoshino has honed his craftsman-like artistic abilities to add as much realism to a story as possible.

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Hoshino currently creates manga in Sapporo, Hokkaido.

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This must be it.

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Our first stop is Hoshino's workspace.

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He really is a fantastic artist.

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Prepare yourself.

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Surprisingly, this is Urasawa's first time to meet Hoshino, so he's a bit nervous.

04:38

Hello!

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- It's nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too.

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- I'm Urasawa.
- I'm Hoshino.

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What a lovely office.

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You didn't have to come so far.

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I love this space.

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Hoshino works on the third floor of his house.

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Pens and other tools are neatly arranged in easy-to-reach places.

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Hoshino likes to work with a drawing board on an inclined desk.

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Urasawa couldn't help himself.

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Oh! I like this!

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Not bad at all.

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The incline makes a big difference.

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It's a bit more stable.

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I like the distance.

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- Great for older people.
- You can get up close.

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Old eyesight is a pain.

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The two artists moved the conversation to a used bookstore in Sapporo.

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You are an incredibly skilled artist.

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But many readers see you mainly
as a historical sci-fi writer.

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For manga artists like me,
you are an artistic legend!

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I want everyone to notice
that part of your career, too.

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I hope our conversation can show people
that you are not only a sci-fi master,

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but a truly incredible artist.

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Thank you for saying that.

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We placed cameras in Hoshino's workspace so as not to disturb his process.

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Now it's time to watch a creative master at work!

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Day one. Hoshino creates a rough draft for the entire manga.

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He uses a blue-colored pencil to draft the overall layout.

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Then starts drafting with a pencil.

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Hoshino is currently working on "Kaitei," his first long-form historical manga.

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The story follows Zheng He, a historical figure from China's Ming Dynasty in the 15th century.

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It is said he led large fleets and sailed as far away as Africa,

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long before famous adventurers like Columbus and Magellan.

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Hoshino is working on the story's turning point when Zheng He decides to confess something to the emperor.

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The scene plays out across three panels.

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Have you watched yourself work before?

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No.

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How is it?

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I thought I was working fast,

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but I took my time.

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I'm really dragging my feet.

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You're searching for the perfect line,

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but every line already feels perfect.

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I wouldn't say that.

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You imagine how it looks,

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and then move the pencil with precision.

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Hm.

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Next is the large left panel.

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It looks like Hoshino's drawing an eye.

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I love the nuanced pencil work.

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A part of me wishes

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I could make this the manuscript.

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Pens make lines feel stiff.

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I don't like tracing over a drawing.

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I agree.

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That's why I prefer to use brush pens.

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It adds nuance.

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Who were your early influences?

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Kuwata Jiro.

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He made such beautiful lines.

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His manga "8 Man" is a true classic.

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I can feel his essence in your work.

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His artwork was so stylish back then.

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Yes. Very cool.

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It was different from gekiga manga.

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If Kuwata Jiro kept digging deeper,

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his art might have ended up like this.

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Is that so?

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A rough draft that looks ready to print. Wow.

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Hoshino created nine pages of rough drafts all in one day.

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The entire process took ten hours.

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Day two. Time for inking.

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But first, Hoshino sets up an MD player, and starts playing -

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- Rakugo?

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A rakugo recording.

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When working on the story,
rough drafts, or storyboarding,

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there's a lot you need to think about.

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Listening to music is ideal.

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But once I start to ink, my mind is free.

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So I like to listen to things
with words, like rakugo.

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Using a thin brush pen, Hoshino starts with the outline of Zheng He's look of resolution.

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Brush pens are great for drawing both thick and thin lines.

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Hoshino adjusts thickness as he inks.

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Hoshino uses thick lines for eyes and eyebrows to express strength.

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The lines have a nice touch.

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Better than pens.

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With stiff pen nibs, you press down.

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But for soft brushes, you float.

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You use muscles in different ways.

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Brushes are more demanding.

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Maintaining distance is key.

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It's all about how you pull the brush.

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For the nose's shadow-

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-Hoshino goes with solid black!

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I don't have the courage to do this.

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But you can already see

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the final image in your head.

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I've always loved how you use blacks

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to shadow noses angled away.

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And Professor Munakata's cape.

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It's all black just like Batman.

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Your solid blacks are so masterful.

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You don't need things like highlights.

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Solid blacks contain strength.

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Plus, it hides whatever is beneath.

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It adds fear to villains like Darth Vader.

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Only revealing the shape.

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- Still, you work so fast.
- You think so?

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There's no hesitation.

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Everyone else hesitates a bit more.

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Hoshino changes pens.

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A mapping pen.

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It's pretty loud.

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Hoshino uses the fine lines of a mapping pen for detailed face shading.

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The process is mesmerizing.

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Wow.

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It all comes together beautifully!

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I don't know...

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Many artists spend days working on faces.

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I bet there are people watching

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who are shocked at how fast you work.

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"How does he make it look so easy?"

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And all while listening to rakugo!

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Hoshino expresses the hat's stiff texture with a g-pen.

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It took just 25 minutes for Hoshino to ink these three frames.

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Zheng He - determined to confess something to the emperor.

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He stares out into the distance.

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The solid blacks strengthen his expression, filling the frame with Zheng He's determination.

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Hoshino Yukinobu was born and raised in Hokkaido.

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Several key encounters led him to create manga.

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At six years old, he discovered a manga by Tezuka Osamu.

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The sci-fi genre fascinated young Hoshino.

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At ten, he began creating his own manga.

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Hoshino based it on an existing work, designed the characters and submarine, and created the panel layout.

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Another sci-fi work heavily influenced Hoshino.

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"2001: A Space Odyssey."

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Stanley Kubrick's sci-fi masterpiece has resonated across film history.

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When I saw "2001: A Space Odyssey,"
I was in my early teens.

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It was a very formative experience.

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It was so different from sci-fi movies

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about rockets flying around in space
making lots of noise.

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The silence in the film made it feel

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like you were actually in space.

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That experience is
at the core of all I do.

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Hoshino studied at an art university.

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He focused on the simple lines of Japanese painting.

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Western art is about light and shadow.

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But Japanese painting use
lines for expression, not shadows.

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In that way, it's very similar to manga.

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You don't see contoured lines in nature.

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But they're so much fun to draw.

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I think Japanese
view the world with lines.

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For Japanese art and manga,

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lines must be able to express
texture and weight.

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After two years, Hoshino dropped out of university and moved to Tokyo to become a manga artist.

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At 21, he created "Haruka Naru Asa."

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Tezuka Osamu, one of Hoshino's idols, praised the manga.

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Hoshino went on to release a variety of sci-fi manga,

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all with well-thought-out storylines and masterful artwork.

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Even today, Hoshino continues to give realism to stories about unknown worlds.

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You are a sci-fi master.

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It makes sense your works
feel high definition.

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High definition?

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It's like you draw everything
in high resolution.

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Filling up every part of a panel

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must be so much work.

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But readers love to examine every detail,

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wondering how it was all made.

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Fans like me must stress you out.

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You don't want people to look at details.

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Exactly.

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But you drew it. It can't be helped.

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"Kaitei," the manga Hoshino is working on this time, is sprinkled with sci-fi elements.

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Typical of a Hoshino work, the story is about 80% truth and 20% fiction.

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Back to work.

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Hoshino is working on the Great Ocean, the story's main setting.

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A three-eyed monk tells Zheng He,

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"Like swelling waves inside of eternity, everything changes in an instant."

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Hoshino will use a large, two-page spread.

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How will he express the pivotal moment?

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This is an amazing page.

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You just go straight for it.

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There is a rough layout in blue.

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Just the shape.

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This is very educational footage

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for any future manga artist.

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The panel only features a rough outline of the horizon.

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Regardless, Hoshino goes straight to inking the page.

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A Hoshino manga always has
beautiful scenes of nature.

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So many rocks, waves, and mountains.

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Way too many to count.

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Maybe.

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I even used a magnifying glass to study

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how you made the surfaces of your rocks.

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At first, it was all just squiggly lines.

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Still, take Tezuka Osamu's "Phoenix."

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I can't draw weathered rocks

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and crumbling boulders like him.

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The movement is so natural.

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It's like the rocks are characters.

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That's right.

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Forming a rock's shape is like creating a character.

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I don't think Tezuka studied photos,

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but his rocks are still so attractive.

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Hoshino's detailed brush lines slowly come together to form the ocean -

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without a single do-over.

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For natural objects like trees,

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accidental lines from brush strokes
make them feel even more natural.

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- Yes.
- It doesn't feel artificial.

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Some lines might not end up as expected,
but I pay no mind and keep going.

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It's as if Hoshino takes the images in his head and puts them directly on white paper.

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You can't program a robot to do this.

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It's too random for a computer to copy.

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The sense of randomness.

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Including mistakes made by human hands.

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A vast ocean fills the panel.

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Still, Hoshino continues to draw with thin brush strokes-

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It looks like he's adding waves in the distance.

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Hoshino changes to a mapping pen.

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It baffles me how you weave together

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all these mountains and valleys so well.

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You can't see the other side,

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but you can still feel it.

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It's so satisfying.

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Wow. Not much else to say.

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And then Hoshino starts coloring the sky above the waves black!

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What a bold choice!

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I started to get lazy.

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Yes! But that is a big part, too.

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If you were working with CG,

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you wouldn't have to make that decision.

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You must accept your own laziness.

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Yes. In a way, laziness equals design.

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Hoshino adds gradation to the solid-black sky.

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Oh!?

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This is one of your secret techniques.

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You could get paid well for this.

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Wow.

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It looks perfect.

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Twenty minutes and inking is complete.

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Layered ocean waves and a dark sky that stretches out into the distance-

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Hoshino's ocean imagery foreshadows the difficulties ahead.

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Although the inking process is fast, Hoshino spends time on the scenario and storyboards.

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A 24-page episode takes about ten days to finish.

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During this process, Hoshino decides on details like character poses and expressions,

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which Urasawa says is enough for a rough draft.

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I prefer to use "storyboard"

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instead of the Japanese "name."

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Storyboarding.

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It's a filmmaking term.

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Movies are moving pictures.

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The storyboard is the movement memo.

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There needs to be movement.

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The sense of speed in the storyboard

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creates momentum in the story.

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But the final draft has a formal feel,

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and the movement stops.

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Next, Hoshino starts work on the final page.

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This is the storyboard.

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The scene is of Zheng He returning to Ming after his first voyage.

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But when Hoshino created the rough draft-

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The image ended up looking different from the storyboard.

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In the storyboard, we're looking up.

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Yes.

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You changed the angle.

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The title image was from the same angle.

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I wanted the ending to be different.

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And still, no hesitation!

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Next, Hoshino starts drawing the ships.

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He moves quickly - all without using any reference materials.

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It looks like Hoshino decided to give the scene more depth.

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Next up: inking.

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Hoshino starts with Zheng He's face using a G-pen.

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One thing that always blows me away

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is how you can draw people and images

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from so many different angles.

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Is that so?

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These scenes feel natural

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thanks to drone technology.

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In the past, if you filmed a movie

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from an angle like this one,

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it wouldn't feel natural.

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Same with manga.

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You wonder where the camera is placed.

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For interiors, is it in the ceiling?

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You can't help but notice those things.

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But drones can shoot in any position,

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from the floor to the ceiling.

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It's easier to use angles like these now.

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Having real-life devices

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that can make similar images

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helps our brains visualize things.

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Hoshino picks up a brush pen and starts work on the cloak.

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He colors it solid black with bold strokes.

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I can't believe you don't need a draft

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to add gloss to the cloak like this!

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Most artists add those to the draft.

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But you don't.

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The bold strokes feel so good!

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The confident strokes must mean Hoshino already has a clear image in his head.

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Next, speed lines around the ships, with the same brush pen.

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The hand-drawn lines fill the page with momentum that pushes the boats forward.

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Hoshino adds finishing touches with a mapping pen.

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The thin lines give the boats even more speed.

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Two hours later, and the page is finished.

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Zheng He and his ship head to meet with the emperor in Ming.

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The dynamic composition is full of movement,

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filling the audience with anticipation for the next episode.

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As we filmed, Hoshino showed us a special room in his house.

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This is the library.

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Hoshino's library is home to over 10,000 volumes.

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Over the years, Hoshino has collected books that interest him,

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from history to folklore, science, and space.

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Just how many books do you read?

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Reading must be all you do!

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Not exactly.

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- You like reading. - Yes.

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- And you can't stop. - That's right.

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You really need to enjoy reading

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with all the research it takes!

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I learned so much history in "Kaitei."

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You take us on a mysterious journey,

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full of telepathic monkeys

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and proto-humans.

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Your worlds draw me in

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and make me think it all truly existed.

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I can't tell between fact and fiction!

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Hoshino compiles the ideas that come to him from reading into a notebook.

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Fragments slowly come together to form a story.

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For example, Hoshino connected volcanoes with the Japanese myth of Susanoo to create "Yamataika."

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The historical sci-fi poses questions about the roots of the Japanese people.

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Hoshino's daily research helps these stories feel like actual history.

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Back to the studio to work on a key scene.

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Zheng He strengthens his resolve after recalling a childhood memory.

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Hoshino starts with the rough draft.

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I'm amazed at how fast you are,

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even when drawing young children!

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This really surprised me.

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You know exactly how the muscles look.

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It's perfect.

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I don't know how you do it.

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This is ready to go. No inking needed.

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Nobody would say no.

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Zheng He was a eunuch.

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Hoshino added a fictional backstory to explain why.

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Zheng He was born an ethnic minority and his father was killed by the Ming Dynasty.

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To survive, Zheng He chose to become a eunuch -

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a tragic origin that pushes the story forward.

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"Kaitei" is the story of a eunuch.

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There's a deep sadness

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unlike anything I've seen in your work.

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How do you see it?

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I don't understand why eunuchs existed

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but I was curious and wanted to learn.

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Having a character like that

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lead a grand adventure felt special.

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I wanted to depict his life at a scale

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equal to the journey he embarked on.

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That's a big part.

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The final dream of a man who

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lost everything is to see the world.

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It's a very moving way to put things.

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You are able to immediately understand

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what pain and sadness look like.

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Time to ink.

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Hoshino expresses the boy's grief with a g-pen.

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There's something romantic

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about stories of the ocean.

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He was at sea for 30 years.

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And it wasn't an easy voyage.

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When a boat is powered by the wind,

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you must wait for the wind to blow.

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That's why it takes so long.

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At sea, you lose any concept of the earth.

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Embarking with such little information

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is quite romantic.

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Hoshino inks the hair with thick strokes.

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After two hours, Hoshino has finished the childhood flashback.

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After losing everything, Zheng He's sadness fills the page.

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He has only completed the first of seven voyages.

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Zheng He's adventures will continue.

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I just witnessed greatness.

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I didn't expect so many compliments.

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I can't help but marvel at the process.

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I really admire your work.

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I don't know how much longer I've got.

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Maybe my last work should be sci-fi.

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Or I could go back to "Munataka."

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I'm thinking about my final act.