Breaking Barriers for Accessible Society: Shani Dhanda / Disability Activist

Shani Dhanda is a British disability activist. She was born with brittle bone disease. The barriers she has faced motivates her to make the world inclusive for disabled people.

Shani Dhanda during interview
Discussing media representation of disability
Talking with the media about people with disability
Working at her office

Transcript

00:04

Direct Talk

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A panel discussion on
"Media Representation of Disability"

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was held in London in November 2022.

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Shani Dhanda today on Direct Talk
was its guest speaker.

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She is a British disability activist,

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Dhanda has been vocal on her efforts
to change the world

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based on her own experiences.

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Shani Dhanda
Disability Activist

00:31

Quite often when we see
disability representation

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or disabled people in the news or media,

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its disabled people talking about disability,

00:42

we need much more incidental representation.

00:46

We have to stop pigeonholing disabled people
to only talk about disability.

00:51

She held the first event in the UK
to support disabled people

00:56

and South Asian women in 2019.

01:01

She has appeared on many TV programs
to speak out for

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the rights of people with disabilities.

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Dhanda continues to break the barriers
to create an accessible society

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where everyone can live better lives.

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Breaking Barriers for Accessible Society

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The society that I want to live in
is one that is accessible

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both physically,

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but also societally

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attitudinally.

01:34

Because it is not my condition
or impairment that disables me.

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It's the barriers and bias that I face.

01:41

Those are the things that disables me.

01:44

Dhanda has faced
many physical barriers over the years.

01:48

Moreover, she felt discrimination
by the people where she grew up.

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I was born into a very big
South Asian Indian community,

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one which I'm really proud to be part of.

02:06

I love my identity.

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But disability still, even today,

02:12

faces a further sense of stigma.

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So, it's still a very much taboo topic.

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And actually, we don't really have
the language to talk about disability

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and in our own cultures
and religions for example.

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Dhanda is 116cm tall
due to a rare genetic condition.

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She has suffered
many inconveniences and discomfort.

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I live in London,

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but the transport here,
the public transport system

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is really not accessible.

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Only 33% of the tube infrastructure,
which is the underground, is accessible.

02:56

The supermarket
I can't really reach many things.

03:00

ATM is sometimes are too high.

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If I want to buy a sandwich,

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it might be all the way on the top shelf.

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Dhanda has taken change into her own hands

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to improve media representation

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and raises awareness of the environment
for people with disabilities.

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There were times when she was criticized
for being over-exposed in the media,

03:26

but encouragement from other disabled people

03:29

gave her the strength
to continue taking on challenges.

03:35

Dhanda was born in Birmingham.

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She has an elder sister
and a younger brother.

03:45

At the age of two,
she was diagnosed with Brittle Bone Disease.

03:50

That's a genetic condition

03:51

which affects around
1 in 15,000 children in the UK.

03:57

By the age of 14,
Dhanda had broken her legs six times

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and spent the majority
of her time in the hospital.

04:08

The characteristics of my condition

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is that my bones break without any trauma.

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So, I don't have to have an accident
and I don't have to have an injury

04:17

for my bones to break.

04:19

So, it's sort of like
being made out of glass.

04:23

You're very fragile.

04:25

One time, my auntie,
she just picked me up under the arms.

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That how you pick a child up.

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And my leg broke.

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So

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it would just be really everyday things.

04:38

It was her mother's strict discipline
that fostered Dhanda's independence.

04:45

Growing up, my mom would teach me that

04:48

if you can't do things
the way other people can,

04:50

then you just have to find
a different way of doing things,

04:53

whether that's finding
how to reach the kitchen cupboards,

04:57

doing the vacuum,

04:59

finding clothes to fit me.

05:02

she actually went as far to say

05:05

"Shani, you're not allowed to say 'I can't'

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that's banned."

05:08

"You're not allowed to say that."

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At the time, I did think she was a bit harsh.

05:13

I did think she was a bit cruel.

05:15

But now, as an adult,
when I look back on that time,

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I can only thank her
for giving me the strength

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and for making me really resilient.

05:27

When Dhanda was 14,
metal plates were inserted in her legs.

05:31

Since then she had fewer fractures,
expanding her opportunities.

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She no longer needed to use her wheelchair.

05:39

So, at the age of 16,

05:40

she decided to look for a part-time job.

05:44

And when I would apply for these jobs,
I had one sentence in my application

05:50

that would say, you know, I have a condition,

05:53

but it doesn't affect my ability
to do this job,

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and...

05:57

it had got to the point where
I'd applied for over 100 jobs

06:01

and I just haven't heard anything back.

06:03

I want to work,

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I want to contribute to society.

06:08

I want to be independent.

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I want to earn money.

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What's going on?
Why I'm not hearing back.

06:15

And then I thought, okay,

06:17

let me take that one sentence
about my condition off my application.

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And I was offered an interview straight away,

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and I got a job straight away.

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So...

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at 16,

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I did learn a really harsh life lesson

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that people are judging my ability
based on my appearance.

06:38

Dhanda realized that
when searching for a job,

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it was important to meet people in person.

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It gave her the chance of being employed

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as it overcame prejudism.

06:48

She went on to university
to expand her opportunities.

06:51

She was able to land a job at a
promotional events company after graduation.

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People made offensive remarks

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even though she led an independent life.

07:05

Some people say
you will never be able to get married

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or you will never be able to have children.

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And that is really hard to hear

07:14

but also I don't know
why people say that to me

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because...

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if I want to get married I will get married.

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If I want to have children,

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I will find a way to make that happen.

07:25

At the age of 31,

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she founded the Asian Disability Network

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to support disabled people
with similar experiences.

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I just realized that the attitudes of disability
hadn't changed in my community

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in the whole time that I had been alive.

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And I just thought how could it have
remained unchallenged and unchanged.

07:52

I remember growing up and I didn't know
any other South Asian disabled people.

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There's so many others according to the data,

08:00

but I didn't know any.

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So I thought if I can create
a safe place for everybody,

08:06

then that's only going to be a good thing.

08:08

Dhanda realized that
educating parents and close relatives

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were an essential factor
in order the change the situation.

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She now holds on-line forums
for families and others

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to help people with disabilities
connect with society.

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But, even if the circumstance change
and society become more accessible,

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Dhanda stresses it is important

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for people with disabilities
to be financially independent.

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It is estimated that

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there are currently 14.6 million people
with disabilities in the UK.

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This represents 22% of the total population.

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According to the
2021 British Labour Force Survey,

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53.5% of disabled people between
the ages of 16 and 64 were employed.

09:03

For non-disabled people, the figure was 81.6%,

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showing a significant difference.

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In addition,
the wages paid to disabled people

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were on average 13.8 percent lower
compared to those who were not disabled.

09:22

We visited the home of a disabled man
living in London

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to find out what kind of
financial difficulties they actually face.

09:30

Hello.

09:33

Nice to see you.

09:37

I was usually aware of
the disability pay gap.

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And the percentage that the disability are
paid less than the non-disabled people.

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And I say it's not surprising,

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but it's still very shocking

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and very frustrating.

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People with disabilities on average

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face extra costs of £583

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or around 711 dollars per month.

10:02

This includes higher energy bills
for charging wheelchairs

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or other care services.

10:07

On average, a disabled person face
extra costs of £583 a month
(Scope UK 2019)

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For disability like myself as you can see,

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I have a house,

10:19

I have airmatress,

10:21

I have different equipment that I have to use
throughout the day and night

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and that will take heat, electric and gas

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and I need that support for being disable.

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So obviously the pay gap or your pay

10:36

is a burden towards paying just surviving.

10:40

And it's really hard.

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It's getting harder and harder in the UK.

10:45

Dhanda believes that
financial support is essential

10:48

to improve the lives of
people with disabilities.

10:51

This had led her to start a new project.

10:55

It is a mobile application
called Diversability Card

10:59

which can only be used by
those certified as disabled.

11:03

This is the prototype of the app.

11:05

It will offer discounts of
10 to 15% from companies

11:09

such as Amazon and NIKE.

11:11

Diversity Card
Mobile App Prototype

11:14

One of the biggest reasons why I'm launching
this app to help disabled people save money

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is because nobody else is doing it.

11:22

Nobody else really, I don't think understands

11:25

like the true extent of the
financial pressure that disabled people face.

11:30

This is my lived experience.

11:32

So obviously I have first-hand experience
of the challenges.

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And I'm motivated to do something about it.

11:41

However, creating the app
proved to be very expensive,

11:45

and Dhanda had to work hard
to raise funds from investors.

11:49

Then the COVID-19 pandemic
created an extra layer of difficulty.

11:57

So, I had to pitch for investment
to get money to create the app essentially.

12:02

I had got it all up to a point
where I had done everything that I could

12:06

without any money.

12:08

And then I started to pitch for investment.

12:10

It took me ages to get investors.

12:13

And then we went into total lockdown.

12:15

And one by one on that day,

12:19

all the investors were contacting me saying,

12:21

"I'm really sorry, but I don't know
what this now means for me financially,

12:25

and I'm going to have to pull out."

12:27

And all this thing, you know,
it was very upsetting,

12:31

really disappointing.

12:33

Nevertheless,

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Dhanda hopes to launch the app by 2023.

12:41

One thing she has continued to do
since her 20s is traveling.

12:46

Dhanda travels around the world

12:48

as she feels

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she may not be able to do so someday.

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Because I know how fragile life is.

12:57

Like, look at how my childhood was.

13:00

Look at how restricted I felt.

13:02

And, you know, I really feel
that my life started at 16,

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like my independent life started at 16.

13:09

I made a promise to myself that
I didn't want to live with regrets.

13:13

So, in my twenties
I just used to work to travel.

13:18

So, I've been to 39 countries now
and I'm 35 years old.

13:22

But the reason that I wanted to
travel young or from a young age

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is because as I get older,
my mobility will deteriorate,

13:32

I will be a full-time wheelchair user again.

13:35

That's not what makes me sad.

13:40

What makes me sad is
the world is still inaccessible.

13:44

I know that I will find it more difficult to
go out and do the things that I need to do,

13:51

but not because of my condition,

13:53

not because I will need to use a wheelchair.

13:56

It's because the world is not accessible.

14:00

Finally, we asked Dhanda to write down
her hopes for the future.

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So I wrote "the future is accessible"

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because that is what I truly believe.

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I do believe that one day...

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society will be fully inclusive.

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Maybe not in my lifetime,

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but that is definitely
what I am working towards.

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and the society that I want to live in
will have a different perspective,

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it will have had a complete mind-shift.

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And how we think about disability.

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I want a better disability representation.

14:36

I want more intersectional
and diverse disability representation.

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And, I firmly achieve that.

14:44

but I want more people to come through.

14:47

I want that to be an
even more diverse representation.

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I didn't want it just for me.

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I want it for my whole the community.