
*First broadcast on January 12, 2023.
In centuries past, cooking in a Japanese kitchen involved moving between a dirt floor and a raised area with wooden floorboards. Modern kitchens, meanwhile, incorporate all sorts of convenient, space-saving measures. Our guest, associate professor Suzaki Fumiyo, tells the story of that evolution, and explains why some Japanese are choosing to go back to a traditional dirt-floor kitchen. And in Plus One, Matt Alt learns about some traditional kitchen utensils.
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Hello, and welcome to Japanology Plus.
I'm Peter Barakan. -
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One of the results of the
COVID-19 pandemic has been that -
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a lot more people are eating at home,
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and today we
turn our attention to the kitchen. -
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When I first came to Tokyo
in the mid-1970s, -
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it was quite unusual to see a man cooking.
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Things have changed.
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Recent official data suggests that one man
in three is cooking at least once a week. -
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Now that may not seem like very much,
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but for Japan, it is progress.
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I think the image of
the kitchen is as the friendliest, -
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warmest, most welcoming
place in the house. -
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In Japan's history that
was not necessarily the case, -
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and on today's program,
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we'll take a look at the changes
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that kitchens have been through,
through the centuries. -
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Here's a typical example of
a modern Japanese kitchen. -
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The standard counter
height is 85 centimeters. -
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And in this case, it's around
two meters from end to end. -
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Most Japanese homes are quite small,
and so is the kitchen. -
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It's made to match Japanese requirements,
with everything easy to reach and use. -
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A fish grill,
found underneath a gas range, -
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is a common piece of equipment.
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Cooking takes around five minutes,
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depending on the size and type of fish.
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Some models have a timer
to turn off the heat automatically. -
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Grilled fish is popular in Japan,
so this feature is helpful. -
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We asked people how much time
they spend in the kitchen each day. -
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Altogether...quite a while.
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Around three hours?
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I'll fry a few things,
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cook something in the oven,
use the grill...that kind of thing. -
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Around three hours.
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On his days off, he cooks.
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When I'm cooking Japanese food,
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if I have spinach, for example,
I may add it to miso soup, -
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and also prepare it as a separate dish.
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I'll usually make four
or five dishes in all. -
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According to a recent survey
by a gas appliance manufacturer, -
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80 percent of women cook each day,
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compared to 22 percent of men.
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In another survey,
by a maker of kitchen goods, -
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90 percent of respondents
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said they want a regular meal to
include three or more different dishes. -
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One reason for this is the
standard composition of a meal in Japan. -
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It features rice—the staple food—and soup.
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Plus three other dishes,
creating a full, balanced meal. -
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Many households cook multiple
dishes to create this style of menu. -
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Another reason behind the
preference for multiple dishes per meal -
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is a government slogan from 1985,
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encouraging people to eat 30 different
foods a day for a balanced, healthy diet. -
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Japanese kitchens are used a lot each day,
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and they are constantly evolving to offer
ever more comfort and convenience. -
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To see the latest Japanese innovations,
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we've come to the Tokyo
showroom of a kitchen company. -
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New ideas and functions are
being introduced all the time. -
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This wall cabinet can be
pulled down from above. -
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Other versions come down
at the press of a button. -
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This one is actually a dish-dryer!
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Here we have a contactless faucet.
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It can be turned on
and off using a sensor. -
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Now, let's look at the
extractor fan above the cooker. -
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An extractor fan is notoriously
difficult to clean, -
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but this one's different.
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This tray should be
filled with warm water. -
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Insert that here.
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Then simply press the “Clean” button.
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The fan and filter will be
cleaned automatically. -
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The constant progress in functionality
and design of Japanese kitchens -
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reflects how central
they are to everyday life. -
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This time, our guest is Suzaki Fumiyo,
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an associate professor in
Kanagawa University's -
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Faculty of
Architecture and Building Engineering. -
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She's an expert on Japanese kitchens.
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Suzaki is going to show us around
the Japan Open-air Folk House Museum. -
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It has a collection of around
20 traditional houses. -
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Let's see what a Japanese
kitchen used to look like. -
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I love these nice old houses.
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This one dates from
the turn of the 18th century. -
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It belonged to the head of a village.
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Mmm.
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Let's go in.
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This is what, in Japanese,
they call a “doma”— -
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Yes.
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room with a dirt floor—isn't it?
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Produce grown on nearby farmland
would be washed and prepared here. -
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And what have we got here?
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Ah this is the stove, as it were.
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Kamado.
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Kamado, yes.
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Where the cooking was done.
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And then there's a little
shrine above the stove. -
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It's customary to enshrine the deity
of the stove close to the cooking flames. -
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That's what's happening here—
this shrine is for that deity. -
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It was a way of praying for
protection against house fires, -
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which could be deadly.
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I think it also shows that people
viewed the flames as sacred. -
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Traditional kitchens would also
have an area with a wooden floor. -
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It would be raised up.
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In addition to the dirt floor.
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Each surface was used for
different tasks when preparing food. -
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Ah, I see.
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So what would be done down here,
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and what would be done up
on the wooden floor room? -
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The dirt floor area would be
used when dealing with muddy vegetables, -
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or anything unhygienic.
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And there was a kamado
stove that could be used to -
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cook something that
would take a long time. -
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The area with a
wooden floor was kept clean. -
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There's a spacious living area here,
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and its center is a sunken fireplace.
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Ah, OK.
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The family would all
sit around it together. -
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They'd grill fish, and keep warm,
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or they'd hang a cooking pot
over the fire, and make simmered dishes. -
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They might boil water.
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That's what a sunken fireplace was for.
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OK.
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And this over here is...what?
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That's a sink.
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That's a sink? Oh my god.
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A sink, yes.
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Actually,
you'd use it while kneeling down. -
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Wow, that sounds really uncomfortable.
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Shall we have a try?
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So where does the water...
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Is that where the water comes from?
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Well, this is a large water container.
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It would be filled with
water from a well or river. -
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And people used that water to wash things.
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So you're kneeling down here and
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washing vegetables or
cleaning plates, or whatever it is. -
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Yes.
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Then over here, you'd have a board.
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You'd use it to cut up the ingredients.
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Using a knife.
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When that was done,
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you'd take the food back over
to the dirt floor area, and cook it. -
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So you're getting up and
down and up and down, -
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and you're kneeling on
the floor to do all of this work. -
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It sounds like a real pain,
both literally and figuratively. -
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Indeed.
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As times changed,
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it came to be criticized as
a very inefficient way of working. -
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Doing everything while standing up
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became the officially
recommended method of cooking. -
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And that ended up being
the style we still use today. -
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So why was everybody suddenly
told to stand up to do their cooking? -
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It was a question of hygiene.
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Earlier, we spoke about
cutting ingredients on a board. -
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But that was on the floor,
where people walk. -
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That's extremely unhygienic,
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and it was suggested that
standing up to cook might be better. -
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Another factor is that kneeling
down while doing tasks in the kitchen -
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came to be seen as old-fashioned.
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That's part of it, I think.
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From the second half of the
19th century, Japan began to westernize. -
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That was happening nationwide,
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and it wasn't just
a superficial influence. -
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Things changed inside the home, too.
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That helps to explain the
switch to a standing position. -
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One of the major problems Japan faced
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during its recovery from the
devastation of the Second World War -
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was a housing shortfall
of 4.2 million homes. -
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Public housing complexes, with
apartments measuring 43 square meters, -
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were put forward as a solution.
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A huge number needed to be built quickly.
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The amount of space allotted for
the kitchen was just 3.3 square meters. -
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Fitting everything in
was a real challenge. -
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The eventual solution was to combine
the kitchen with the dining area, -
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forming what came to be
known as a “dining kitchen.” -
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But space was still an issue.
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With a table and chairs, little room
was left for the person cooking. -
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Another concern was appearance.
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This was a focal space,
and people wanted it to look good. -
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And so they began using stainless steel,
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which finally arrived in Japan after
being developed in the West. -
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Stainless steel looked nice,
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and it was perfectly
suited to mass production. -
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This was much more efficient
than previous methods, -
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which involved shaping by hand
materials like stone and corrugated iron. -
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Designers continued to search
for space-saving measures. -
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They turned their attention
to the layout of a kitchen. -
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Before the war, it was common for a sink,
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counter and gas burners to
be lined up—in that order. -
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The new idea was to
put the sink in the middle, -
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with a counter on one side
and gas burners on the other. -
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It was a revolutionary concept.
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This reduced the amount
of movement required in a kitchen. -
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Someone could cook while occupying
the same spot, in front of the sink. -
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They wouldn't bump into
anyone or anything. -
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The dining-kitchen concept
quickly caught on, -
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and was soon seen as the most appropriate
solution for the Japanese home. -
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Oh, I can remember
seeing these in the old days. -
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Makes me feel old now though.
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So this is the famous “dining kitchen.”
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I think the first time
I heard that expression was -
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when I was in Tokyo
and looking for a flat. -
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“K” stood for “kitchen”
and “D” stood for “dining.” -
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And “DK” referred to
one room that had both. -
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A “dining kitchen,” as you said,
is a combined dining and kitchen space. -
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You probably don't really
use that term in English. -
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Traditionally, the kitchen and dining area
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were separate rooms in
a Japanese home, too. -
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We had a patriarchal system.
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The male head of the household
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would entertain visitors
in the warmest room in the house, -
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situated on its sunny southern side.
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The kitchen, meanwhile,
would be on the northern side, -
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where it might be so cold and dark,
you had to keep your feet moving. -
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The cooking would be done
by a woman—perhaps a maid. -
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That's interesting.
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I mean, would the average
household have had maids? -
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Well, it wasn't only the upper-class,
wealthy households that had maids. -
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The custom was relatively widespread.
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From the late 19th
to early 20th centuries, -
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Japan went through
a period of industrialization. -
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The government encouraged the development
of the textile industry in particular, -
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and the factories recruited
a lot of female workers. -
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That led to a shortage of
women working as maids, -
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across the whole country.
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Housewives would increasingly
do the cooking themselves, -
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and so kitchens needed to adapt
to that new pattern of usage. -
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They needed to become more compact.
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The emergence of the
small-scale dining kitchen -
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also allowed families to
spend more time together. -
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They could all be together
even when someone was cooking. -
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The dimensions of the kitchen facilities
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had to be considered from
an ergonomic perspective. -
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That meant a renewed focus on
things like height, or width, or depth. -
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In early standing kitchens,
back in the late 19th century, -
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the counter would be
around 60 centimeters high. -
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The sink would be around the same.
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So the person doing the cooking
had to bend over to work. -
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Right. And you'd get
a bad back from doing that. -
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Absolutely.
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Physically, it's very difficult.
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That's when research into
the ergonomics of a kitchen began. -
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The average waist height of a kitchen user
was taken into account, and -
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the height of a counter was standardized
at around 70 to 75 centimeters. -
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Nowadays, 85 centimeters is the norm.
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Let's have another look at
the kitchen showroom. -
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Well, this is quite a change, isn't it?
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Yes.
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This is called a “system kitchen.”
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It includes a sink,
a counter, a stove, storage, -
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and perhaps a dishwasher and fridge.
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They come as a set.
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Compared with those old
apartments from the 1950s, -
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what would you say
are the biggest changes? -
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One of the biggest changes is size.
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The dining kitchens of
the 1950s were very small. -
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Modern ones are bigger;
they're a dining and living space. -
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They have become the center of the home.
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You might cook together with your family.
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You might keep an eye on
your kids while you prepare food. -
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Or you might chat to your guests.
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The role and size of kitchens has changed.
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New innovations are making them
more comfortable and convenient. -
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Some modern sinks and surfaces
are designed to be quieter. -
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Extractor fans deal more
effectively with smoke. -
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And some sinks have a drainage
function that minimizes bad smells. -
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These developments aren't flashy,
but they're really helpful. -
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And they're being incorporated
into modern kitchens. -
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Hi, I'm Matt Alt, and this is Plus One.
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Today I've come to Kappabashi,
Tokyo's fabled kitchenware district. -
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Along this road behind me,
which stretches some 800 meters, -
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are clustered over one hundred shops,
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catering to chefs
amateur and professional. -
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What kind of wares are on display?
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Follow me, and let's find out.
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There are so many different
types of knives here in Japan. -
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I've seen them before,
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but I have no idea what
most of these are used for. -
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Maybe we can find an
expert to show us how it goes. -
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Hello there!
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I was hoping you could help me here.
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Happy to help.
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I hear there are so many different types
of knives used in Japanese cooking, -
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can you tell me about some of them?
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No problem.
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Oh wow. Look at all of the stock.
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First, here is a knife that
we use to prepare fish. -
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What are the
characteristics of this knife? -
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It's thick and heavy.
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Without too much effort,
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it can cut through any
part of a fish, even the bones. -
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Looks very sharp.
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This is for sashimi.
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Oh wow.
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It's almost like a sword.
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So can you tell me why this
sashimi knife needs to be this long? -
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With sashimi, you don't push
the knife in, you cut with a single pull. -
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Now that you mention it,
I think Japanese saws cut on the pull too. -
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That's true.
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There are also rectangular
knives for cutting vegetables... -
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and special knives for
cutting soba noodles. -
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Each one is designed for
a different type of ingredient. -
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In all, there are around 15
types of Japanese cooking knife. -
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Next, let's look at an
unusually shaped frying pan. -
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Interesting.
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Rectangular pans.
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What are these used for?
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Tamagoyaki.
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Tamagoyaki is rolled omelet.
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It's a classic component
of a bento lunchbox, -
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and it's made in a rectangular pan.
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The special design makes it
easy to roll the egg as it cooks. -
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Now another interesting tool.
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Oh, these are...this is really big!
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Is this a mortar and pestle?
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Yes, that's a mortar. A big one!
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The inside of the mortar
is covered in ridges. -
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They help to break down
and grind up ingredients. -
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The mortar comes with a matching pestle.
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So now Matt's all set to
grind up some sesame seeds. -
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First, crush the seeds slightly.
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What's the reason for this?
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If you don't, they might fly
out of the bowl. -
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Secure it with your right hand,
then rotate it with your left hand. -
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I see. I see.
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May I?
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Go ahead.
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So right hand up top.
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First, crush a little bit.
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And then...
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So I guess I don't want
to move this top hand here. -
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Oh man, that aroma.
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So I guess these little ridges
are what make it grind well. -
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Yeah, that definitely
ground it a lot more finely. -
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So what do we use this ground sesame for?
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Well, you can use it with spinach,
for example. -
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Here we have a
purpose-built wasabi grater. -
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On the surface is sharkskin,
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which is said to produce a creamier
texture than a metal grater can. -
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Ready?
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—Oh yeah, look at that.
—There it is. -
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Oh, look at that.
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Come on, you know you want to go
out and eat some sushi after seeing this. -
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Let's give it a try.
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I love this shop.
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But I have to ask,
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is all of this variation really
necessary to cook Japanese food? -
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In addition to Japanese food,
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people cook Western food,
Chinese food, and so on. -
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And each type of food has a range
of kitchen products associated with it. -
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One of the things I love about Tokyo is
it's full of specialty shops of all kinds. -
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But the kitchenware stores of Kappabashi
are on another level altogether. -
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Next time you come to Tokyo,
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I highly recommend you come to
Kappabashi and check it out for yourself. -
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Until then, I'll be doing some
shopping of my own. -
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See you next time.
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The kitchen is at the heart
of many modern homes. -
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But some people are deciding
to go back to using a dirt floor. -
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We're going to visit a house built
three years ago, in Chiba Prefecture. -
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It features earthen walls,
and was made using recycled wood. -
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Just inside the
entrance is a large dirt floor. -
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Beyond it is a raised wooden floor,
and a sunken fireplace. -
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At one side of the dirt
floor area is a kitchen. -
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The cooking is done using
a kamado, fueled with firewood. -
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It's as if we've gone back in time.
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Why did the owner, Yamaguchi Yoshiko,
decide on this type of home? -
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Stainless steel is convenient.
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It's easy to clean, and light.
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But food made in a kitchen like
this tastes completely different. -
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I worried about the inconvenience,
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but I thought hard about what was
most important for our way of life. -
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That was the key factor
when I made up my mind. -
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Yamaguchi's decision
represents a lifestyle choice; -
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one that puts personal fulfillment
ahead of modern convenience. -
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As it happens,
and this is purely by chance, -
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I've actually been to that house.
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There's nothing around it,
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and it's like being totally
in the countryside. -
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So I...I didn't actually
go into the kitchen, -
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but I can kind of understand
wanting to live that lifestyle, -
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considering the place where it is.
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But that's really going back
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quite a long way in history
to have a kitchen like that. -
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What do you think about that?
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Personally, I'm a big fan.
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COVID-19 has played a role in this,
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but for example,
people are rethinking life at home. -
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A growing number of people,
when they build a new home, -
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have been choosing to
have a dirt-floor kitchen. -
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We're also seeing people
spending more time camping, -
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or growing their own crops.
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Rather than focusing on work,
they're thinking about quality of life. -
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More and more people are reconsidering
what it is they actually want. -
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Many seek a connection between
their home and the natural world. -
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And I think a dirt floor kitchen
is one way of achieving that. -
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So do you think we're heading
into a period where you have, -
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on the one hand, these real
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26m 11s
state-of-the-art kitchens with absolutely
everything you can possibly imagine, -
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and on the other hand,
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almost like historical looking kitchens,
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which work in their own way as well?
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26m 27s
Kitchens are really diversifying.
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26m 31s
People are thinking hard
about the lifestyle they want, -
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and they're choosing a kitchen
that matches their ideal. -
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When it comes to functionality,
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or the relationship between
the home and the natural world, -
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I think we'll see people make
a much wider range of choices. -
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Barakan-san,
do you spend much time in your kitchen? -
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I'm in the kitchen but I'm not cooking.
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26m 59s
I'm a little bit ashamed
to say I've never cooked. -
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Except for...I mean,
I can do scrambled eggs. -
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My wife cooks.
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And I do feel it's unfair
that she should do everything, -
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so I...I'm the dishwasher.
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Yeah.
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That's how our house works.
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Thank you for asking.
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And thank you for being on the show.
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Thank you very much.
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25 years ago, we built our own house.
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And we had a built-in kitchen which was
pretty much state-of-the-art for the time. -
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In those 25 years,
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I mean, we went to the
showroom earlier on today, -
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and the newest things in
there were absolutely astounding. -
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I don't think I've ever seen
anything quite like that, -
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and I'm sure in another 10 years,
it'll be even more astounding. -
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So there you go;
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it's been an interesting day.