
Let's make Dashi from scratch and cook Chef Rika's Japanese dishes! Featured recipes: (1) Dashi (2) Meat and Potatoes with Dashi (3) Cod with Savory Dashi.
The recipes are available at https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/dining/20230131/2019343/.
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Dining with the Chef!!
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Welcome to our show.
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Well, It's time to get cooking.
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What are you going to show us today, Rika?
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This time, we're going to learn how to make dashi, the cornerstone of Japanese cuisine.
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Dashi is the foundation of Japanese cuisine.
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You can't do without it.
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We're going to use it in some recipes.
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It's really easy, so everyone can follow along, from beginners to veterans.
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The most common type of dashi is made with kombu and katsuobushi.
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Dashi determines the flavor of Japanese cuisine.
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It may seem hard to make, but Rika's method is stress-free.
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Once you know how to make dashi, you're on your way to mastering Japanese cuisine.
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Tokyo, an Asian city with the largest metropolitan population in the world, the boundaries between old Japan and futuristic Japan are blurred in this metropolis.
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The food here is a fusion of cuisine, not just from around Asia, but around the globe.
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In this program, Tokyo-based culinary artist Rika Yukimasa demonstrates the current trends from her own kitchen near Tokyo Bay.
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Our co-host is Patrick Harlan, widely known in Japan as Pakkun.
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Rika's Tokyo Cuisine.
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Today we make dashi broth from scratch!
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So today we're going to be focusing on dashi.
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Yes.
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You hear a lot about Dashi.
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It's basically soupstock, but it's the basis, the central ingredient of much of Japanese cuisine.
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Exactly.
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-Right?
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It's all about dashi.
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But a lot of us don't know what dashi is.
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Yes.
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That's why I want to show you these.
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Well, these are the ingredients for a Japanese dashi.
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Mm hm.
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One of the most popular ones is this kombu kelp and dried bonito flakes.
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Right.
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Another one I want to introduce is this shiitake mushroom.
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This one is dried shiitake mushrooms.
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And if you're vegetarians, do you want to have a really deep, fragrant of dashi?
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I recommend using this.
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And this one is Agodashi.
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This is flying fish.
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-Flying fish?
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-Famous in the southern part of Japan.
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Where I'm from - Kyushu.
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We use it for ramen soup and everything.
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We use this one.
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So dashi, just to get us started is basically soup stock.
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It's similar to brodo in Italy or bouillon in France.
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It's made from simmering or boiling the ingredients in hot water.
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But the difference is that it's so much easier to make, right?
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Exactly.
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There are many reasons.
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One of the reason is we have the ingredients of dashi dried and fermented, sometimes pre boiled before the drying.
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In the West, in France or Italy or America.
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When we're making soup stock, we basically take vegetables or meat or bones and just boil them as long as they are.
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Here, so very nice artisans have already prepared the ingredients for us, so it's much faster for the chef to do his or her work.
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Yes.
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So of all these options, what are we using today?
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Today we're using this kombu kelp and also skipjack tuna.
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Dried skipjack tuna.
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-Katsuobushi.
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Kombu and katsuobushi are probably the two main pillars of most dashi.
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Great.
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Indeed, katsuobushi is an essential ingredient in Japanese cuisine.
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To make it, skipjack tuna is boiled, smoked and dried.
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It is then fermented and aged for about six months to concentrate its umami flavor.
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After being shaved, it becomes the katsuobushi you see sold in stores.
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And I notice that you have the original form of the katsuobushi.
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Before it's bushi, it's just dried katsuo.
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-Right.
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It's dried and fermented for a long time, then becomes almost like wood.
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Isn't that amazing! I can just sing, and -
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That's right.
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-You've got yourself a percussion instrument. -Yes. Yes.
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When I first saw this, I didn't believe it was fish.
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It doesn't look like fish.
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It doesn't really smell like fish yet.
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But when you shave it, all that amazing aroma comes out.
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Right.
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My grandma, She used to always mix miso soup out of this.
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So every morning I remember the sound of "syu syu syu syu syu syu".
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It's almost like a rhythmic sound.
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Sure.
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-Ooh, looks great!
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You don't have to just use it in soup. You can eat it.
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Actually, this is like a prosciutto ham.
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Yeah.
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So this is too thick, maybe?
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No, it tastes good.
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Oh, it is good.
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It looks fun, but it takes practice to make thin shavings, so it's probably best to buy katsuobushi.
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Rika's recipe for making dashi.
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Wipe away any impurities on the surface of the kombu.
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Be careful not to remove the white powdery substance, that is all concentrated umami.
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Put the kombu in a pot of water and place over heat.
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Just warm it up.
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Are you going to boil it?
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Yes, I'm going to boil it.
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And it's important that you take out the kombu once it's boiled.
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You don't want to boil the kombu kelp.
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You want to take out of this kombu.
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And the reason for not boiling the kombu is when you boil the kombu, it makes the soup sticky ...unwanted flavor, umami flavor, which is like a little bit of sweetness from kombu.
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I can see the color of the water is changing as well.
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Yeah.
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And then you start to see the bubbles coming out from Kombu.
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Excellent.
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Once bubbles start to form, but before it boils, take the kombu out, and turn off the heat.
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Next, add the katsuobushi to the kombu stock.
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Put a strainer in a pot and place the katsuobushi inside.
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Mmm. I love how katsuobushi starts to move in the heat.
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Yeah, it's kind of dancing.
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Dancing fish flakes.
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Let the katsuobushi steep for 7-8 minutes without stirring, if you don't, it will cloud the dashi and produce unwanted flavors.
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Okay. So katsuo dashi is ready.
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Look at this golden color.
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Isn't it beautiful?
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Wow.
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Yes, you could just give me a little cup of that to drink, and I'd be a happy clam.
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I love dashi soup.
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And what's important is you don't want to squeeze out all the juice out all katsuobushi, because then it's not going to be clear.
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We like this clear looking soup.
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Sure.
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Two key points to remember when making dashi.
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Remove the kelp before the dashi boils.
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Also, avoid squeezing the katsuo-bushi.
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Follow these points, and you'll have a clear, golden dashi.
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Simply adding salt and soy sauce is all it takes to turn the dashi into a high-quality broth.
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Oh, it smells so great.
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Smells the smoky, rich katsuo flavor, aroma and the kelp umami...
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you can almost smell it so good. Itadakimasu.
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You would not believe how rich this is.
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It's like drinking silk.
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It's that smooth.
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Oh, it's so good.
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And it only took, you know, five, 10 minutes.
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And it's.
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It transports you into a land of luxury.
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It's that good.
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This is incredible.
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Now that we have delicious dashi, we can make various kinds of nimono.
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-Have you heard of nimono?
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Nimono is boiled stuff, literally.
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It's delicious food simmered in this dashi broth.
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But it's not just nimono, right?
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We can very use our dashi for various foods.
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Yes.
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Do you change it somehow when you use the dashi?
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Exactly. We change the ratio to dashi.
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You just use the same ratio of this and times seven is what we are making nikujaga.
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Okay.
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For Nikujaga, it's seven to One, to one, to one.
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I can remember that.
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Nikujaga, by the way, is one of those hearty, wholesome, home cooked meals which everyone loves.
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Yeah, Especially in winter.
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It's so good.
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My daughter's favorite is nikujaga.
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Yeah.
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No kidding.
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Yeah. You hear that sometimes.
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What's your mom's favorite food?
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-A lot of people will say nikujaga.
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And then when you have guests, what we do is we do mentori.
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If you do it, and then the edge won't crumble.
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So you will have beautiful jagaimo.
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Right.
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If you have these sharp edges on your potatoes, they sort of crumble when you boil them.
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And that makes the potatoes look a little worse.
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But it also makes her soup sort of it fills it up with these little pieces of potato, so soup doesn't look as good.
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Cut the other ingredients into bite-size pieces.
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Okay. And then lastly, I placed this thinly sliced beef.
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In Japan, we have sliced...really thinly sliced beef or pork everywhere.
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-You can buy it at any supermarket.
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But if it's difficult for you, you can just use the chicken thigh or ground chicken, beef, pork.
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How about ground beef?
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-Ground beef, too.
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Yes.
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And it's usually not that expensive.
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Great.
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And what's important is, as I said, this dashi soup and 3S.
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Sugar, soy sauce, sake.
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And mirin.
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Okay.
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And we want to have, like, 30 milliliter of each.
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Okay.
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And then you want to have sugar.
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Okay.
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-So 30.
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And two tablespoons.
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30 milliliter of sake.
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30 milliliter of mirin.
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And if you don't have mirin, don't bother.
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You just add a little more of sugar.
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And soy sauce.
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And we have 30 of each times seven is 210.
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-I'm glad you did the math.
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Then 210 amount of dashi stock.
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Okay.
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And turn the heat to high.
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Excellent.
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How did you come up with this golden ratio of 7:1:1:1?
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Well, I.
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I really watched my mom because every time I asked her, Mommy, tell me, how do you cook nikujaga?
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Well, I don't have recipes.
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And she wouldn't teach me how much of this and this and this.
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So I really made a kind of like observation of her and looking at her from behind.
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And I noticed she's always using this otama to just scoop the...
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and okay, she's using the same amount, and then probably that's seven times of dashi.
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So you took your mother's secret recipe and codified it?
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You made it into a scientific principle, but it's really a family's secret restaurant recipe.
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-Passed down generation to generation.
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And what you do is instead of placing the lid, you want to have paper laid, making a hole like this.
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Okay.
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What does that do for us?
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Well, this way the soup will circulate in the pot.
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So even though you're not...you know - you're not placing the liquid all over the ingredients.
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You still have the soup on top of everything because you have this paper towel.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So you're letting some of the soup evaporate, which is different from a regular lid, but you're keeping the flavors in.
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-Yes.
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So you're going to boil it down a little.
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But you want the flavors to keep condensing and cooking everything without having to stir it.
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-Right.
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-So is that all we need to do for prep?
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Okay. And how long do we wait?
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Once the potatoes get really soft, it's done.
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How long do you think that will be?
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10 to 13 minutes.
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Okay.
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We'll relax and have a drink of wine, perhaps.
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So you love to be efficient.
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We have 12, 13 minutes.
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What are we going to do?
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We'll make the fish nimono.
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Fish nimono! boil our fish in dashi.
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Okay. What do we do?
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Okay, first you can just pick any kinds of fish like salmon fillet or cod or tuna, whatever you have raw fish or frozen fish.
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And then what's important is it sometimes it's really fresh, but sometimes it's not.
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Or you are using frozen and you have drips coming out.
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Right.
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Then the best way to get rid of the fishy smell - is to blanch them in hot water.
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Okay.
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You don't have to cook them.
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But by doing.
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Going through this process, you have a big difference.
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-Wow, you can tell that it's already firmed up a bit, right?
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This isn't boiling water, and you're not really cooking the fish.
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You're just heating it up, up the outside to get the fishy smell off and firm up the meat a little.
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Interesting.
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This is one of those steps which I never knew about before coming to Japan.
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It makes a huge difference.
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If, like, your kids don't like the fishes smell or your friends are like, oh, I prefer a hamburger.
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Try this step.
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-It might make the difference.
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Okay.
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Now we're going to place this fish in the pot.
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Okay.
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Well, I would say pan. frying pan.
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All right.
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No oil or butter or anything?
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-No.
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Mm.
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And on the side, I place this tofu.
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Tofu?
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Yes.
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Well, it depends if you like tofu or some other stuff.
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But my father really liked tofu with simmered with fish sauce.
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So my father always asked me, Rika-chan, can you please put some tofu in it?
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Nice.
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So we have your mother's recipe with your father's preference.
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We've got a lot of family love in this dish today.
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That's great.
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And it's good because you want to intake a lot of protein.
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Sure.
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And then if you have some, please slice the ginger.
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I think a ginger really refreshes the taste.
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And it gives you a little kick.
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When you're eating it, your throat feels this little kick.
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Oh, I love that.
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Are we doing? 7 to 1 to 1 to 1 again?
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No, this time.
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Four to one, to one, to one, Four to one, to one, to one.
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You want to have more strong flavor for fish?
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So you don't want to dilute with dashi.
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-Oh, okay.
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Reduce the amount of dashi so that you get more savoryness from the soy sauce and sweetness from the sugar and mirin.
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Great.
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Using 4 parts of dashi will give you a more pronounced flavor which goes very well with rice.
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It's perfect for making appetizers to go with drinks.
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And three times four is 120 milliliters of dashi.
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Okay.
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30 times four.
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And then when you turn the heat to high, you place this paper towel lid again.
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I see.
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So that the soup would circulate.
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Right. And how many minutes do we cook this?
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-Usually 12 minutes to 13 minutes.
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Once the ingredients have absorbed the savory dashi, it's done.
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Adding green beans or some other vegetables will give the dish a nice accent.
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The fish is very tender and is prone to crumbling, so you need to be careful when plating it.
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Drizzle with the umami-rich sauce, and it's ready to serve.
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Strongest flavor will be Nikujaga.
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Ooh, its glistening.
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Mmm.
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-Oh that's wonderful.
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Now we're getting the sugar and the soy sauce really kicking in.
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It's a thicker sauce and the sugar gives it more like a rich consistency as well.
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Right.
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It's less of a soup broth and more like a sauce.
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Isn't that great for your kids bento box.
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Oh, for sure.
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Okay.
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This is the cod with tofu.
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Mm.
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The dashi is now playing sort of a background role.
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The other flavors are strong.
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It's got the dashi base, but it's really a nice, thick, delicious savory sauce.
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It's got sweetness, it's got savory ness.
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It's got a little, a little saltiness from the soy sauce.
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Mm.
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And I can, I can tell you, with a bowl of white rice, you just go back and forth.
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You can create diverse flavors just by varying the ratio of dashi and seasonings.
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I remember the nikujaga.
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-It was 7:1:1:1.
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And then we used something a little bit stronger in flavor.
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-The 4:1:1:1 for the cod dish.
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-And this one is 8:1:1:1:1.
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And this one is 16:1:1:1.
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A soup or sauce made with 8 parts of dashi allows the inherent flavor of the ingredients to stand out, and is well suited for simmering vegetables and ingredients with delicate flavors.
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Mmm.
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Oh it's so good.
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The Dashi.
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The other flavors are a little bit stronger, a little bit more savory.
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But still it's all about the ingredients.
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The vegetables.
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-Vegetables have natural sweetness.
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If you don't overpower them.
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Using 16 parts of dashi further reduces the ratio of seasonings to dashi, allowing the taste of the kombu and katsuobushi dashi itself to come through.
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Rika's technique makes it possible to produce a variety of flavors simply by varying the ratio of dashi to seasonings.
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This is beautiful.
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I love the deep green.
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It goes so well with this lovely bowl as well.
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Mmm.
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Oh that's wonderful.
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Thank you.
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There's no bitterness at all left.
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It's just got that lovely fish and strong, dashi flavor, but not overwhelming.
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It's soaked into the vegetable, but it really brings out the vegetable flavor.
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It's not overwhelming or overpowering.
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Right.
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It's a nice complement.
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If you go to the high-end Japanese restaurant, you know, you have tasted things like this, right?
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Sure.
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Exactly.
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If you the nicer the restaurant, the more delicate the flavoring.
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Right.
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This is excellent. Very high class.
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Mmm. That's amazing.
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Same dashi, same basic ingredients.
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Just a little bit of ratio adjustment makes all the world of difference.
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It's incredible.
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Only thing you need to know is about dashi.
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You just change the ratio and just put in any kinds of ingredients in the season.
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Right.
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Then you'd have thousands of varieties of Japanese dish.
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Sure.
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You can play around with the ratio yourself.
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Follow the golden ratio for the first couple of times, but after that, you might find your own platinum or diamond ratio.
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Who knows?
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So I learned a lot about dashi today.
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That was wonderful.
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Thank you.
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Do you have any memorable dashi dish?
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Well, I remember the very first time I tried making miso soup, and I made it with water, not dashi.
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It was terrible! Just awful.
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And I asked one of my Japanese friends, you know, "How come the miso soup I had at your house was so good and mine so bad? What's the difference?"
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And she told me the secret ingredient, right, is love.
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But it was actually dashi.
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So the moment I learned that there's something more important than just water or love in my food, all of my cooking got that much better.
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Dashi really changed my understanding of Japanese cuisine, And today we made dashi using katsuobushi and kombu kelp.
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But if you're a vegetarian, you can also use dried mushrooms.
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Or if you really want to go and dig in, you can also use dried niboshi, which is a dried fish.
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-Little sardines.
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-You can get all these ingredients on the net.
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So I wish you could give it a try, because it's really easy to make.
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Sure.
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Many people may think that Japanese cuisine is difficult to prepare, but it's all about the dashi.
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And as you saw today, it's very easy to make dashi from scratch.
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And if you stick to using the golden formulas that I showed you today, you can make all kinds of dishes with just dashi, sugar, sake, soy sauce and a mirin.
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Your exploration of dashi can be a never ending journey.
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Let's start it today.
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Thank you for joining us and we'll see you again soon on Dining with the Chef.
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Rika's technique for making dashi is very easy, and is definitely worth trying.
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Today we learned how to make a basic dashi broth, using kombu and katsuobushi.
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Remove the kombu before boiling to prevent the release of unwanted flavors.
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Never squeeze the katsuobushi.
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Follow these two points to make a clear, golden dashi broth.
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Changing the ratio of dashi to seasonings will give you a medley of flavors.
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Use 7 parts of dashi to 1 part each of the basic seasonings to make Meat and Potatoes with Dashi.
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Using 4 parts of dashi will give you a more pronounced flavor that goes well with both rice and drinks.
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Japanese cuisine is all about the dashi.
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So, follow Rika's simple method and have fun cooking!